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	<title>Comments on: Aitor Throup - Part I:  When Football Hooligans Become Hindu Gods, a 3-D Comic</title>
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		<title>by: Aitor Throup</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] En este sitio pueden ver la colección completa y las comparaciones entre las ilustraciónes y las piezas terminadas. Y en esta entrevista comenta cosas muy interesantes  sobre la colección y sus influencias. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] En este sitio pueden ver la colección completa y las comparaciones entre las ilustraciónes y las piezas terminadas. Y en esta entrevista comenta cosas muy interesantes  sobre la colección y sus influencias. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: yaz pistachio</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>to the devout and sincere Hindus that are distressed by this work - please consider this:

other religions don't offer a pantheon of God images that represent so many thoughts and spiritual considerations.  Hinduism is rich with representative images, most of which aren't really understood by non-Hindu people.  for instance, I'd always seen Shiva represented with a lot of skulls, which made me think that the image was all about death and destruction (and not a nice, easy death, either) == later on, I learned that Shiva represented death *and* creation, and that one is not possible without the other. 

the suit with the skulls is, in my point of view, a good representation of that thought -- the suit itself is new, but carries the images of destruction.  however, those images (the skulls) are, in themselves, creative and, by becoming useful as bags, also represent the pathway through life -- from something new, fashionable, and useful (therefore, birth and life) that will eventually become old, out of fashion, and worn out (therefore, death)

-- people make fun of the Christian God, Jesus, and Mary a lot.  a friend of mine frequently wears a t-shirt that reads &quot;I found Jesus!  He was behind the sofa all along.&quot;  God and Mary show up in similar satirical/irrelevant pieces.  some Christians create shrines to the Virgin Mary that involve half a bathtub (set up to form an arch), a statue of Mary and other bright decorations, and candles and flowers.  this is not meant to be irreligious -- in their culture, it's a sincere representation.  to my branch of Christianity, it's practically idol-worship (not good if you're a Protestant), and the fact that *any* part of *any* bathroom furniture is involved is just Not Right.  however, that does not define the world's view of Christianity, nor does it affect the way any devout Christian worships, or their regard of God.  and as far as angels are concerned, have you *seen* the Victoria's Secret fashion show?

-- although i'm not familiar with Judaism, I know that there have been satirical/irrelevant representations (recently, on a cartoon show, one of the majo characters was shown as -- for some reason -- dressed as a Hassidic Jew &amp;#38; attending services.  he proceeded to make nearly every tacky, potentially offensive stereotypical joke that he could.)  i'm certain some Jews didn't like it, but that doesn't stop them from going to the synagogue and worshipping God.

as far as Islam is concerned, well -- you don't exactly get a lot of material to work with.  there's Allah, who is indefineable, and there's Mohammad, who's a man, like any other man of his time.  although i *did* see a one-panel cartoon recently that showed a man (presumably Muslim) entering Heaven and asking a person (presumably Allah) &quot;what do you mean these are *my* 72 virgins?' while looking at a bunch of clouds, each holding a male computer geek, laptop and all (the joke being that all computer nerds are virgins.

this artist has taken legitimate, strong, highly illustrative God-images and shown them in a different light.  is there only one way to represent Shiva?  if so, why have I seen so many statues that differ in that representation?  ditto for other Hindu images.

the representative image of a God does not define or limit that God -- the fact that a God cannot be limited or defined (given boundaries) by any human skill is part of the Divine.  whether the drawing of Mary, or Moses is good or bad doesn't really matter, does it?  the important thing is that the people who want to worship that representation of the Divine spirit can do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to the devout and sincere Hindus that are distressed by this work - please consider this:</p>
<p>other religions don&#8217;t offer a pantheon of God images that represent so many thoughts and spiritual considerations.  Hinduism is rich with representative images, most of which aren&#8217;t really understood by non-Hindu people.  for instance, I&#8217;d always seen Shiva represented with a lot of skulls, which made me think that the image was all about death and destruction (and not a nice, easy death, either) == later on, I learned that Shiva represented death *and* creation, and that one is not possible without the other. </p>
<p>the suit with the skulls is, in my point of view, a good representation of that thought &#8212; the suit itself is new, but carries the images of destruction.  however, those images (the skulls) are, in themselves, creative and, by becoming useful as bags, also represent the pathway through life &#8212; from something new, fashionable, and useful (therefore, birth and life) that will eventually become old, out of fashion, and worn out (therefore, death)</p>
<p>&#8211; people make fun of the Christian God, Jesus, and Mary a lot.  a friend of mine frequently wears a t-shirt that reads &#8220;I found Jesus!  He was behind the sofa all along.&#8221;  God and Mary show up in similar satirical/irrelevant pieces.  some Christians create shrines to the Virgin Mary that involve half a bathtub (set up to form an arch), a statue of Mary and other bright decorations, and candles and flowers.  this is not meant to be irreligious &#8212; in their culture, it&#8217;s a sincere representation.  to my branch of Christianity, it&#8217;s practically idol-worship (not good if you&#8217;re a Protestant), and the fact that *any* part of *any* bathroom furniture is involved is just Not Right.  however, that does not define the world&#8217;s view of Christianity, nor does it affect the way any devout Christian worships, or their regard of God.  and as far as angels are concerned, have you *seen* the Victoria&#8217;s Secret fashion show?</p>
<p>&#8211; although i&#8217;m not familiar with Judaism, I know that there have been satirical/irrelevant representations (recently, on a cartoon show, one of the majo characters was shown as &#8212; for some reason &#8212; dressed as a Hassidic Jew &amp; attending services.  he proceeded to make nearly every tacky, potentially offensive stereotypical joke that he could.)  i&#8217;m certain some Jews didn&#8217;t like it, but that doesn&#8217;t stop them from going to the synagogue and worshipping God.</p>
<p>as far as Islam is concerned, well &#8212; you don&#8217;t exactly get a lot of material to work with.  there&#8217;s Allah, who is indefineable, and there&#8217;s Mohammad, who&#8217;s a man, like any other man of his time.  although i *did* see a one-panel cartoon recently that showed a man (presumably Muslim) entering Heaven and asking a person (presumably Allah) &#8220;what do you mean these are *my* 72 virgins?&#8217; while looking at a bunch of clouds, each holding a male computer geek, laptop and all (the joke being that all computer nerds are virgins.</p>
<p>this artist has taken legitimate, strong, highly illustrative God-images and shown them in a different light.  is there only one way to represent Shiva?  if so, why have I seen so many statues that differ in that representation?  ditto for other Hindu images.</p>
<p>the representative image of a God does not define or limit that God &#8212; the fact that a God cannot be limited or defined (given boundaries) by any human skill is part of the Divine.  whether the drawing of Mary, or Moses is good or bad doesn&#8217;t really matter, does it?  the important thing is that the people who want to worship that representation of the Divine spirit can do so.
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		<title>by: aretheoldgodsdead?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Those that condemn this as heretical and disrespectful have not paid any attention to the genesis behind the creation. 
As clearly noted these deesigns have a back story.
One of intolerance and racism.
The story is that a dying boy asks his killers to become his gods in order to know him and to know his remorse.
These fashions are designed to sell clothing rather to challenge ideas of clothing and of ourselves. 
The designs are only symbolic and are not meant to insult but rather to inform. 
All religions are based on ideas and concepts, icons and mythology whose intent is to teach. 
I think these designs can onlybring more attention to Hindu gods which are obviously well known in India but not so much in the West.
In the West we well know of &quot;The Big 3&quot; Judaism, Christianity and Islam&quot;
which are intertwined and based on monotheist ideas. 
The Pantheism of the East is less well know, shadows in the minds of those who may have seen pulp adventure films. 
To fear these designs and to be insulted by them is to fear change and fear of change can only bring pain and suffering... look what fears of &quot;the Big 3&quot; have brought us lately, war and suffering. 
I guess what I am trying to say is if you want us to see your gods, they may require a new face... new faces for old gods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those that condemn this as heretical and disrespectful have not paid any attention to the genesis behind the creation.<br />
As clearly noted these deesigns have a back story.<br />
One of intolerance and racism.<br />
The story is that a dying boy asks his killers to become his gods in order to know him and to know his remorse.<br />
These fashions are designed to sell clothing rather to challenge ideas of clothing and of ourselves.<br />
The designs are only symbolic and are not meant to insult but rather to inform.<br />
All religions are based on ideas and concepts, icons and mythology whose intent is to teach.<br />
I think these designs can onlybring more attention to Hindu gods which are obviously well known in India but not so much in the West.<br />
In the West we well know of &#8220;The Big 3&#8243; Judaism, Christianity and Islam&#8221;<br />
which are intertwined and based on monotheist ideas.<br />
The Pantheism of the East is less well know, shadows in the minds of those who may have seen pulp adventure films.<br />
To fear these designs and to be insulted by them is to fear change and fear of change can only bring pain and suffering&#8230; look what fears of &#8220;the Big 3&#8243; have brought us lately, war and suffering.<br />
I guess what I am trying to say is if you want us to see your gods, they may require a new face&#8230; new faces for old gods.
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		<title>by: a poor Hindu</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear Brother,

i am sorry, if you know hindu religion totally?, plz come to india and learn hindusim and plz understand first, then u have draw badly,

are you know Vedas, eethikass, sidtharkal, etc.,

your religion is created by one man ... just man,

but we are the real god's creatures,
ur are live in forest (Your Stone age),, we are arrange the KINGDOMS,
so dont irredate any religion? plz plz plz,

If you want money, many ways in this world, plz dont irredate other religion,

thanz

we have welcome to u 

come INDIA, Learn INDIA,  LIVE INDIA, THE REAL WORLD KINGDOM is MY INDIA

thanz again
bye
gaiparkavi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Brother,</p>
<p>i am sorry, if you know hindu religion totally?, plz come to india and learn hindusim and plz understand first, then u have draw badly,</p>
<p>are you know Vedas, eethikass, sidtharkal, etc.,</p>
<p>your religion is created by one man &#8230; just man,</p>
<p>but we are the real god&#8217;s creatures,<br />
ur are live in forest (Your Stone age),, we are arrange the KINGDOMS,<br />
so dont irredate any religion? plz plz plz,</p>
<p>If you want money, many ways in this world, plz dont irredate other religion,</p>
<p>thanz</p>
<p>we have welcome to u </p>
<p>come INDIA, Learn INDIA,  LIVE INDIA, THE REAL WORLD KINGDOM is MY INDIA</p>
<p>thanz again<br />
bye<br />
gaiparkavi
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		<title>by: Yokko</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I want a tweed skull...</description>
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		<title>by: Perio</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes very easy to use the Hindu gods ... I'm sure he wouldn't be that brave to do the same with that other religion , the ISLAM ! Big Hypocrite !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes very easy to use the Hindu gods &#8230; I&#8217;m sure he wouldn&#8217;t be that brave to do the same with that other religion , the ISLAM ! Big Hypocrite !
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		<title>by: The HJGHER Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All hail the new scientist</title>
		<link>http://styleskilling.com/2006/10/11/aitor-throup-part-i-when-football-hooligans-become-hindu-gods-a-3-d-comic/#comment-9290</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Imagine personifying the Hindu man/lion god Narasimha by shaping the hood of a jacket like a lions head or the Hindu god of death Shiva by adorning a jacket with skulls that double up as bags. Do see and read more about this impressively authentic collection from Katie&amp;#8217;s well researched write-up here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Imagine personifying the Hindu man/lion god Narasimha by shaping the hood of a jacket like a lions head or the Hindu god of death Shiva by adorning a jacket with skulls that double up as bags. Do see and read more about this impressively authentic collection from Katie&#8217;s well researched write-up here. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: matias</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>aitor is an amazing designer ....amaaazing
i love her job !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aitor is an amazing designer &#8230;.amaaazing<br />
i love her job !
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		<title>by: Thor</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 03:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Why can't an image be used because it is &quot;religious&quot;? Why is it that we   place so much unchallenged faith and respect in what is essentially an idea a group of people believe in? Truth does not come in numbers, if every being on the planet was Hindu, it doesn't make it real, yet if I alone believed Harris Tweed controlled the universe, you wouldn't think twice about removing it from the collection.

I'm missing the point though, aren't I. I am very impressed by the collection, I think it is a product of many innovative ideas and an obviously intelligent foundation in design. I look forward to the next collection, whenever that may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t an image be used because it is &#8220;religious&#8221;? Why is it that we   place so much unchallenged faith and respect in what is essentially an idea a group of people believe in? Truth does not come in numbers, if every being on the planet was Hindu, it doesn&#8217;t make it real, yet if I alone believed Harris Tweed controlled the universe, you wouldn&#8217;t think twice about removing it from the collection.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m missing the point though, aren&#8217;t I. I am very impressed by the collection, I think it is a product of many innovative ideas and an obviously intelligent foundation in design. I look forward to the next collection, whenever that may be.
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		<title>by: Roos</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>i am in love with you</description>
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